I couldn't even find it in the Numista catalogue. It just doesn't look right to me. WingedLiberty, Jun 23, 2010 #1 + Quote Reply. They all appear slightly different in degrees of “shininess,” which is probably normal. The advanced X-ray Fluorescence in Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM) will confirm the purity of .999 silver sample because this unlike other competing technologies provide the ability to detect (through software advances) variable substrate depths thereby confirming purity through an actual mean depth analysis and may be how the current large silver vendors are verifying there purity standards. So, please be careful buying any silver dollar because it can cost you. These are dangerous chemicals and should not be done by children. eminem. Many are made of a higher fineness of silver than the genuine coins. Obviously I am very new to coin collecting and trying to earn my education as inexpensively as possible. In the case of x-rays the depth of material being tested is on the order of nanometers. It’s always best to have an authentic coin or bar next to the one you are examining. What appears to be unusual is that when light lands on the 2013, Ms Liberty’s chest (breasts) take on a dark color that looks like a stain. You can pick one up pretty cheap on Amazon for about $5. However, every property adds confidence to the identity of the material especially if someone is trying to duplicate any one property. If they were all like this, there would be little risk to collectors. So I feel confident that even a basic setup (basic price, not necessarily basic understanding) could identify pure silver vs an alloy every time. Copyright 2005 - 2021 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. As they are in sealed holders, other tests are not applicable. Here is one for less than $200 on Amazon. Shop by Category. Thank you for your answer. The troubling part of this latest discovery by the NGC is the fact that it represents a previously unreported contemporary counterfeit of the Morgan Silver Dollar, the 1894-O. If such an alloy were made and then plated in pure silver, it would pass all surface tests and the density test. Sometimes a professional coin authenticator is needed to separate real coins … A dead giveaway is the edges of the coin or reeding. A Running Thread Of Chafemasterj's Counterstamped Lincoln Cents... For Sale: Die Variety Lot 3- Doubled Dies, RPMS In Lots And Singles, For Sale: Silver Bullion Coins & Rounds + Peace Dollars, For Sale: Silver Bullion (Many Holiday Themed) And 90% More Or Less At Spot, For Sale: Silver Bullion - Various Coin & Medal Lots, For Sale: Canadian Silver 80% + Add On French 90%, For Sale: 1998 Havana Puzzle Silver Proof Set With Box, Grapecollects' Coin Mini Mart (Us, Silver, And Some World, Die Varieties). Works for silver and gold at various grades and tests the resistivity of the metal (i.e. You can pick them up on amazon. 1799 Silver Dollar -- Real or Fake? If you’re interested in getting one of these cool little toys, 2 companies that make them are Niton and Bruker. Note: the US mint changed the font in 2008 so 1987-2007 coins and 2008 – present have a different font. Get the Melt Value, At $169 though, overpriced in my opinion, as a basic digital scale and good set of calipers will do the same, please leave feedback if you have bought from any of these dealers, Fake Silver Coins: 14 Ways to Spot Counterfeits, Sigma Metalytics Precious Metals Verifier, http://www.apmex.com/product/1083/1987-1-oz-silver-american-eagle-bu, Preppers Checklist Guide (200 Survival Items), Where to Sell Silver Coins for Cash (8 Options), How to Hide Silver & Gold Coins – (Ideas), 17 Amazing Hand Poured Silver Bars & Ingots, Silver as Money: A History of US Silver Coins, Buying Silver: How to Buy Silver Coins & Bullion, Obtain dry weight of the silver coin or bar with an accurate scale to .01g. Absolutely fake. To calculate this perform the steps below: Be warned: Sophisticated counterfeiters also have ways of combining certain metals together to get a similar specific gravity readout. Look up extinction coefficient of light, skin depth, and complex index of refraction and you’ll get pointed in the right direction to understand more fully. 1800 Draped Bust Liberty Silver Dollar, PCGS XF-40, Nice Toning, Problem Free! I like the coins and they passed all visual inspections you explained. Ok, just as I thought. $4.25 shipping. This ping, or chime, is distinct to real silver. Using this test together with the ring test & visual test should be able to detect these types of fakes. How do you test bullion bar of silver with internal block of lead or some other heavy metal coated with a heavy coating of silver on the outside, Excellent article, a must read for any silver collector or bullion buyer. Does anyone know if there can be false positives? And the “U” is missing the tail on the 1986 just as you show. These are essential to the world of coin collecting & numismatics, making it easier to grade the quality as well as identify counterfeit coins such as fake silver dollars. 1921 PEACE DOLLAR HIGH RELIEF. Cheap and easy to do, getting some ice from the freezer is a simple way to test both silver coins and bars for authenticity. The speed of sound for silver is 3650 meters/second at room temperature. With practice and the right magnet you will be able to tell silver from copper also. For silver eagles, pay special attention to the fonts: letters, numbers, upper/lowercase. Well done. Counterfeit. 1798 CN Spanish Seville 8 Reales Antique 1700's Old Colonial Silver Dollar … A very cheap, and simple test for spotting non-silver fakes [ doesn’t work for pure silver plated] is the ‘tracing paper’ test. Silver $27.16 (-0.01) 01-07 7:48 PM EST PCGS3000 ® The PCGS3000 ® reflects the opinions of PCGS’s coin price experts with respect to indexes developed by PCGS for specific coin categories. Dollar production stopped altogether in 1804, and the next generation did not have a current circulating dollar coin until a brief artistic renaissance came to the Mint in 1836, led by Christian Gobrecht. I never thought I would see the infamous ". 2] Set both on a piece of dark/black cloth, or black paper, on a flat surface in a dark room. USA Coin Book Estimated Value of 1800 Draped Bust Silver Dollar (All Varieties) is Worth $1,174 in Average Condition and can be Worth $26,054 or more in Uncirculated (MS+) Mint Condition. 1799 Draped Bust Dollar $ MS61 NGC 943628-1. Posted: 15-Nov-2013, 01:37AM . Be careful these magnets are extremely strong, fun to play with too! I know silver isn’t magnetic but its paramagnetic and resist a moving magnet. Silver Clad – Just read the definition of clad: to bond a metal to (another metal), especially to provide with a protective coat. There are videos on utube demonstrating this. In any case, using the above methods can to have a safety almost 100%. If it slides fast its fake, slow well its either silver or plated copper. These handheld device are just like scanners, point and shoot, and the device will give an accurate readout of the metal composition. Oh well. 2011(s) Silver Eagle, 2012(s), and 2013(s) All are ANACS MS 70 in slabs. I have a shop that also buys gold and silver. up to 100 oz. As more and more of these counterfeit notes hit the market, they are causing a panic as customers rush to check if their notes are indeed authentic. And China is not the only culprit. Plus, it's illegal to own any counterfeit or fake or copy, unless the word COPY is stamped into to coin and can be read noticeable. At $169 though, overpriced in my opinion, as a basic digital scale and good set of calipers will do the same. Click here to Learn How to use Coin Price Charts. Very poor counterfeit. If you are a regular buyer of silver bars this maybe the tester for you as you can buy an entry-level gauge for several hundred dollars unlike the expensive XRF analyzers. Consumers are cautioned that coins that appear to be underpriced may be counterfeit. The fake 1900-O/CC Morgan dollar and the Micro O dollar fakes appear to date to the early 20th century. If you look at pics of a genuine example, you will see that it's completely off, not a chance. Another cheap and simple way to test for real silver vs. fake is to use some household bleach. I have made quite a few purchases from them myself. 1800 Silver Early Dollars. The specific gravity test of silver is basically a ratio of densities and due to its chemical & composition makeup should equal ~ 10.49, given by the formula below: You … Your tool of choice for this test is a handy magnifying glass or a jeweler’s loupe. All you will need is just 1 drop, place it on the silver and if it begins to turn black then you can check it is silver. Side Refine Panel. You cannot change the density of metal and pure silver will always give a reading close to 10.49. As soon as the coin is removed from sunlight or flashlight illumination, this “stain” disappears. Another easy give away is the diameter of the coin, this should be pretty exact at ~40.6mm. 1804 SILVER DOLLAR FAKE vs GENUINE COMPARISON. Here are some silver scam identifiers on ebay, watch out for these fraud keywords: Silver-Plated – Like it says, this is any base-metal with a silver plating on the outside to fool the naked eye. Below we have a real vs. fake American silver eagle. U.S. Mint. Thanks APMEX for the cheaply priced bullion and great customer service. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > WingedLiberty Well-Known Member. This causes silver to repel when in contact with a magnetic field. The 1906 Ellis Island silver dollar is 100% fake because the real coin was not struck until 1986 by the U.S. Mint as a silver commemorative dollar. Ben J. H. Posted June 25, 2018. Click here to grab yours! The methods we use are the numbers: If you want to read more about your coin, scroll down to "Lightweight". Guest User Guest. I’ll try to clarify that more in the post above. Also, I did’nt realize my whole name would come out on the post. True to their word, and top quality silver bullion bars. When comparing coins you will always want to compare the same years, in my example both coins are from 2013. From 1987 – 2007 the O’s were oval and the U had no tail. has a tail as well. Test Method #3: Real Silver Is Not Magnetic. Dollars; Early Dollars (1794-1804) Gobrecht Dollars (1836-1839) Seated Liberty (1840-73) Trade Dollars (1873-85) Morgan (1878-1921) Peace (1921-35) Eisenhower (1971-78) Susan B Anthony (1979-81,99) Native American (2000-Now) Presidential (2007-Now) Mixed Lots; Certification. or Best Offer. Sad to say, but it is kind of like buyer beware these days when you buy bullion at places like eBay and Amazon. When You Are the ATM â How to Carry Gold and Not Get Ripped Off In a Post-Collapse World | thesurvivalplaceblog says: May 20, 2013 at 11:44 am [â¦] You can test Silver with the same kit mentioned above or there are some other less sophisticated methods that are supposed to work also. The 2 coins I reference are 2013, which the fake lists, so i made sure to have the same year real coin. Free shipping. Below are 14 ways on how to spot fake silver eagles, bars, and bullion. I had to cost them at least $2.50. A loupe if a special magnifying glass without the handle with higher magnification due to its special lens. The sliding magnet test is simply using a small rare earth magnet(others don’t work), hold the coin/bar at a 45degree angle and let the magnet slide down the coin. Your calculation probably assumes that the coin is a simple cylinder – so volume = pi r^2 x thickness – but the thickness is not uniform – and it is not clear what thickness we should use. Different years may vary with things such as the font, I was just trying to give an idea. paddyman98, Oct 22, 2016 #9 + Quote Reply. Therefore, once again, it cannot be real … 1818 GJ Spanish Madrid 8 Reales Antique 1800â¦ ... -center-draped-bust-silver-dollar.jpg[/QUOTE] QUOTE] Click to expand... OH ok So your title should read "Draped Off-centered Bust" It will make more sense. A good plating will fool the x-rays. Therefore in order to test the interior you would need to damage the object. With one caveat, this is also the most destructive test as well. $33.00. You can see font differences alone on both the obverse and reverse should be enough to spot the fake. How about this one? Legit dealers will not sell these items as they appear on Amazon – with a poorly done listing. Conductivity cannot be faked and silver is the best conductor on Earth. I am not sure these silver vendors are aware of this recent technology but it should be a consideration considering our analyzers run sample test in 10 minutes as opposed to one week chemical testing, maybe the deterrent is the cost, one bench top unit is $60,000 .. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > WingedLiberty Well-Known Member. Last year I bought a barber half dollar that I recently tested using whats called a sliding magnet test and it failed. Having read this article I tested all my silver with a strong speaker magnet, and to my displeasure, some of the “.999 Fine Silver” coins were in fact replicas and not solid silver. It's a good replica of a date and mint mark combination that never existed, but one look at the font of the date and you can tell it's wrong. You can check the speed of sound of other metals here. You’re wrong on the letter O and U. All you will need is just 1 drop, place it on the silver and if it begins to turn black then you can check it is silver. That was one hell of a long article Anyway great post as always, love reading your stuffs. If you suspect the outside is silver-plated, you may need to file through an edge to get to the center metal in order to test. 1804 Silver Dollar Real Vs Fake. In example, a 1921-CC Morgan Dollar never existed nor does an 1872 Trade Dollar. Posted on December 20, 2016 Counterfeit, or âfakeâ, coins are pesky inevitables in the world of coin collecting but there are a number of tips suggested by the Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) and Professional Coin Grading Services (PCGS). Besides silver, also a fullproof way to spot fake gold coins & bars. Eisenhower Ike Dollar Hoard - Lot o... $22 [Lot of 10] US Mercury Dime 1916-19... $25. Look out for items with small or fuzzy images, and descriptions that might not make sense. Anyone capable of creating an alloy with the same density of silver as well as the same acoustic properties could make far more money at far less risk doing legal work. If tungsten is not magnetic (which its not) , does it react the same to a magnet as silver does? How to Avoid Fake Silver. $1,546.30. I didn't realize there actually were fake Seated Liberty dollars going around. Hard case=fake. Continuing on with magnets, another test you can to spot counterfeit silver is … The ping test didn’t work on the coins I have, but I’ve seen other collectors (on Kitco boards) remark that silver maples don’t ping. Cheers Don. Numista referee for Canada and Estonia. temperature) additional confidence may be achieved. Joined: 9-Jan-2012 Posts: 810 . 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